Can anyone help please?

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:54 pm

Hi everyone at TS,

I am looking for some help in searching a death on SP. I am going round in circles looking for it.
John Hardie married Janet Gilfillan in the Parish of Campsie and also his Parish of Strathblane on 31/5/1813. I found his death cert 18/7/1868 in New Kilpatrick Dumbarton. He was 81 and it states he was a pauper widower of Janet Gilfillan. Place of death just says Old town Milngavie. The witness was John Hardie (son).
I found a John Hardie 76 and daughter Janet 28 in Milngavie New Kilpatrick on the 1861 census. It says he is married so i am no wiser to when she died.
I would have thought the search for Janet Hardie other name Gilfillan would have came up in all records but nothing. Even narrowing the dates has brought nothing up either.
Just looking for some tips really, i would like to find her as it would give me clues to her parents.
Thanks for reading,

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:15 pm

Ailsa,

Here's your Janet Hardie, daughter of John in Milngavie in 1851. Mom's no where in sight. Maybe she died earlier on?

Janet Hardie
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: East Kilpatrick, Stirlingshire
Parish Number: 500
Civil parish: East Kilpatrick
Town: Milngavie
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Old Town
Occupation: Dress Maker
ED: 1
Page: 20 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 64
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1851_107
Household Members: Name Age
John Hardie 63
Janet Hardie 22

Carol

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:16 pm

Thanks Carol,
I switched to the 1841 free census site and have came up with a Janet Hardie age 55 in the Royal Edinburgh Lunatic Asylum - that age would fit in with her birth date if she was the same age as John.
If anyone is on Ancestry could you look at the entry and see if it has any more details? I would be grateful as always.

Ailsa

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:26 pm

Hi again,

Unfortunately, Ancestry doesn't have anything else. It just says she was born in Scotland, was 55 and was a patient. This does give you another lead though. I'm not sure how the asylum deaths were reported as to being pre-1855 or post 1855.

Carol

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:55 pm

Hi Carol,

I am a bit annoyed at free cen and ancestry - i thought i would take a chance with the asylum and brought up Janet Hardie as below

2 01/11/1841 HARDIE JANET F ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0086

It is indeed an asylum but she has been wrongly transcribed as her age is in fact 17 and she died in the infirmary. It is not hard to read the writing and two columns below is an age of 55.
I hate to say it but it has been someone's inaccuracy in recording the register for general viewing. I have lost 5 credits - no fault of SP as they do not have an age (see above).
I have worked on the LDS site transcribing and know how careful you have to be. It now makes me wonder how many other mistakes there can be as this whole page must be wrong!
As you can see from my above posts, both free cen and ancestry have her as age 55.

Ailsa

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:08 pm

I know what you mean Ailsa. The mistranscriptons can be a nightmare!

It's too bad that this listing wasn't your Janet. I noticed that there was also a patient named William Hardie there who was supposed to be 50 years old.

I've tried looking for Janet's death on SP also and have not found one for her up to 1886 which would have made her 100 years old. If the 1861 census had John being married, then Janet should have still been alive unless the census taker's M was really a W?

Carol

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:26 pm

Hi Carol,

I looked at the 1861 census and it definitely says mar - funny as she is not in the 1851 census either, you kindly gave me that info - does it not state whether married or unmarried on the ancestry census records?
Ailsa

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:59 pm

No, it just gives the relationship to the head of the family. If you pull up John Hardie's page, it will say "Head". If a wife was present, on her page under relationship it would say "wife".

Remember, Ancestry can only do transcriptions of the Scottish census records. They don't have the originals, SP does.

Carol