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nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat May 02, 2009 1:04 pm

I feel this has got to be John in 1851 -

Name: John Mitchell
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire
Parish Number: 569
Civil Parish: Kilmalcolm
County: Renfrewshire
Address: South Branchall
ED: 1
Page: 8 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 23
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1851_121
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Holm 72
Isabel Holm 66
James Holm 22
Janet Holm 29
Willm Holm 14
John Mitchell 2

Lesley, I wonder if the 10 months was meant to be 10 weeks in 1851 although it states 11 months at Ancestry - (under Mischell).

Regards,
Annette

Post by **AnneM** » Sat May 02, 2009 2:53 pm

Before the Presumption of Life Limitation (Scotland) Act anyone whose death could not be proven was presumed to live a natural life span possibly extending to up to 80 to 100 years. Therefore if the person only disappeared with a sum of money he or she is unlikely to have been presumed dead since it must be an equal likelihood that he or she legged it with the cash.

Even today I think someone might have difficulty getting someone presumed dead who disappeared in those circumstances.

Anne

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:03 pm

Hi Annette

Lesley, I wonder if the 10 months was meant to be 10 weeks in 1851 although it states 11 months at Ancestry - (under Mischell).

- that would certainly seem to make sense. Need to see the original, I think, to see what it really says.

Best wishes
Lesley

havingbeen · Post by **havingbeen** » Sat May 02, 2009 7:51 pm

Anne assuming he did a runner with the cash does his wife just declare herself a widow or is there some legal process whereby she is recognised as such. Today divorce could be an outcome but what were the options then?

John

havingbeen · Post by **havingbeen** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:00 pm

Annette you have the correct Holm in South Branchall that is the address given for Mary Holm when she married James Mitchell. I've tried to get the 1851 census you quoted in Scotlands People but get no result. Other than my ineptness any ideas why that might be? We are gaining more knowledge of the family but are we any closer to the missing James. I've only been family history for a few months so bear with me if I ask what you might see as questions obvious answers.

John

John

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:39 pm

havingbeen wrote:Annette you have the correct Holm in South Branchall that is the address given for Mary Holm when she married James Mitchell. I've tried to get the 1851 census you quoted in Scotlands People but get no result. Other than my ineptness any ideas why that might be? We are gaining more knowledge of the family but are we any closer to the missing James. I've only been family history for a few months so bear with me if I ask what you might see as questions obvious answers.

John

Hi john,

Mmm....I see what you mean.

Some permutations from the Ancestry result don't get a match but a search for Isabel age 66 with a second person Joseph gets a hit at Kilmacolm in 1851.

Hopefully it's them.

As for 1861 - the family you found seems the most likely but confusing. James junior is easy to follow after that but John????
Would you mind uploading the image to the gallery?

One other thing is have you checked the death of the James Mitchell age 30 who died at Paisley in 1856?

Regards,
Annette

havingbeen · Post by **havingbeen** » Sun May 03, 2009 10:10 am

Annette

James Mitchell age 30 who died at Paisley in 1856? That James Mitchell's mother is Margaret McBrayne so I think we can forget him. I'll try and upload the image once I've figured out how to do it.

John

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun May 03, 2009 12:50 pm

Hi John
Instructions for uploading images to the gallery (and a whole host of other things you might like to know!) are in the "How to.." section. Here's a link to the post you need:
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6496

Best wishes
Lesley

havingbeen · Post by **havingbeen** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:40 am

Lesley

Thanks for the guide. I think I successfully uploaded the 1851 census return for James Mitchell. Hope this helps my quest
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1842

John

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nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Fri May 08, 2009 5:59 pm

havingbeen wrote:Annette

James Mitchell age 30 who died at Paisley in 1856? That James Mitchell's mother is Margaret McBrayne so I think we can forget him. I'll try and upload the image once I've figured out how to do it.

John

Do you know James's mother's name then?

Sorry about the confusion re the census image but I really meant the 1861 showing the Mary Mitchell you found.

Regards,
Annette