Hi.
It looks like it reads PRECOGNITION. I've uploaded the image JoshuaColledgeDC.tif
Wonder what caused those wounds?
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-230
dennis
Can't read stamp on DC.....
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Can't read stamp on DC.....
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Hi Dennis
You're right...it does say Precognition......which is standard term used in connection with all Register of Corrected Entries...it's just this one looks a little different as it's so current....they had invented inked stamps by then!! Either purchasing a certified DC or going to NRH and looking at the Death record in person (or finding someone to do this for you) will permit you to learn what the RCE might contain. No guarantees that it would explain what kind of accident he sustained..but then it just might! And yes some day the RCE's will be available online through SP.....some day................
Best wishes
Jean
You're right...it does say Precognition......which is standard term used in connection with all Register of Corrected Entries...it's just this one looks a little different as it's so current....they had invented inked stamps by then!! Either purchasing a certified DC or going to NRH and looking at the Death record in person (or finding someone to do this for you) will permit you to learn what the RCE might contain. No guarantees that it would explain what kind of accident he sustained..but then it just might! And yes some day the RCE's will be available online through SP.....some day................
Best wishes
Jean
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Dennis
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Thanks Jean, I think I can wait for them to show up online:)
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Names of interest: Lennox McKenna Airth Skirving Veitch Laird Drysdale Bennett Colledge Baird Blades Barker Dow Mitchell Perkins Rielly Stewart Tulloch Wright Ure, Ritch Richardson, Whyte
Places of Interest: Dunbarney, Forfar, East London (S.Africa)
Places of Interest: Dunbarney, Forfar, East London (S.Africa)
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Dennis
It was/still is standard practice in the case of a sudden or violent death for the matter to be referred automatically to the Procurator Fiscal.
In one case here it looks like a nasty accident; in the other a fatal cerebral incident/brain haemorhage, both leading to death in hospital.
The investigation then carried out by the PF or his staff was termed a precognition, the Scottish legal terms for any such investigation in this or any other situation, carried out by the Crown Office, i.e. the PF. In the case of the vast majority of death register entry RCEs, all that is "added" is confirmation of the cause of death.
In the case of Joshua Albert COLLEDGE there might a bit more detail on the accident that led to these horrific injuries.
Such an RCE will most probably start with the words "As a result of a precognition carried out .............." Unless the death results from criminal action, or there is need for a Fatal Accident Inquiry, the matter rests there.
The PF would not be involved in other RCEs, such as a paternity action resulting in the addition of the father's name via a RCE annotation to a birth register entry, etc., - similalrly with any other additions or corrections.
David
It was/still is standard practice in the case of a sudden or violent death for the matter to be referred automatically to the Procurator Fiscal.
In one case here it looks like a nasty accident; in the other a fatal cerebral incident/brain haemorhage, both leading to death in hospital.
The investigation then carried out by the PF or his staff was termed a precognition, the Scottish legal terms for any such investigation in this or any other situation, carried out by the Crown Office, i.e. the PF. In the case of the vast majority of death register entry RCEs, all that is "added" is confirmation of the cause of death.
In the case of Joshua Albert COLLEDGE there might a bit more detail on the accident that led to these horrific injuries.
Such an RCE will most probably start with the words "As a result of a precognition carried out .............." Unless the death results from criminal action, or there is need for a Fatal Accident Inquiry, the matter rests there.
The PF would not be involved in other RCEs, such as a paternity action resulting in the addition of the father's name via a RCE annotation to a birth register entry, etc., - similalrly with any other additions or corrections.
David
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Dennis
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Wonder if the PF took photos in those days?
dennis
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Names of interest: Lennox McKenna Airth Skirving Veitch Laird Drysdale Bennett Colledge Baird Blades Barker Dow Mitchell Perkins Rielly Stewart Tulloch Wright Ure, Ritch Richardson, Whyte
Places of Interest: Dunbarney, Forfar, East London (S.Africa)
Places of Interest: Dunbarney, Forfar, East London (S.Africa)
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JustJean
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......altho.....wouldn't it have been nice?....-
Dennis
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LOL Jean,
A couple of 8x10s a 4 wallet size? I was just wondering if they would have taken some pics at the scene and at the hospital for possible evidence use if there was to be any insurance or criminal prosecution.
I guess those things only happen if you lived in 19thC Whitechapel
dennis
A couple of 8x10s a 4 wallet size? I was just wondering if they would have taken some pics at the scene and at the hospital for possible evidence use if there was to be any insurance or criminal prosecution.
I guess those things only happen if you lived in 19thC Whitechapel
dennis
Names of interest: Lennox McKenna Airth Skirving Veitch Laird Drysdale Bennett Colledge Baird Blades Barker Dow Mitchell Perkins Rielly Stewart Tulloch Wright Ure, Ritch Richardson, Whyte
Places of Interest: Dunbarney, Forfar, East London (S.Africa)
Places of Interest: Dunbarney, Forfar, East London (S.Africa)
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DavidWW
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DennisDennis wrote:Wonder if the PF took photos in those days?
dennis
Near certain that they would have in that and maybe some earlier decades.
Only problem is that there's a closure period of at least 75 years on these records, never mind the question of whether material such a photos has since been "weeded" from the files..............
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Re: Can't read stamp on DC.....
If we're talking about Joshua Alberto COLLEDGE (1866-1942) then I believe he was riding a bike on the Selkirk to St.Boswells road when he was struck by a lorry coming from the opposite direction on the wrong side of the road. He was taken to an Edinburgh Royal Infirmary where the cause of death was motor accident resulting in fracture of skull, left femur and humerus, penetrating wound of face, shock.